Hirth F-33, Not So Good Vibrations

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I’ve run the engine about five hours and it has already managed to break parts from vibration. Above 3000 RPM she runs pretty smooth but below that the vibrations get progressively worse and quite bad. It vibrates so bad that it is uncomfortable, my compass will just spin in circles and trying to read the gauges is difficult. At 3000 RPM the vibration is acceptable, above 4000 RPM it is fairly smooth and only gets better as you go higher. But 3000 RPM is about 10 horsepower and is too high for idle, without brakes the airplane will roll along, even in grass. I suspect it may be too high for approach too. So I don’t think its possible to avoid the lower RPMs to keep vibration down.

The ignition coils were mounted on an aluminum bracket on the back side of the engine. That bracket has multiple cracks and in one spot completely broke.

Cracked coil bracket
Cracked coil bracket
Broken and cracked coil bracket
Broken and cracked coil bracket
Broken coil bracket
Broken coil bracket

When the bracket broke it allowed the ignition coils to move around. This resulted in one of the primary wires on a coil to chafe on it’s connector and break.

Broken primary coil wire
Broken primary coil wire

On the Hirth Engine Fanatics Facebook group I’ve read that some people have moved the coils and pulse pump to the fuselage to prevent failure of these components. I will also be making this modification.

I’m disappointed that the factory provided mounting method is so poor. Hirth should not have these components mounted on the engine or at the very least suggest alternate mounting methods in the manuals.

8 thoughts on “Hirth F-33, Not So Good Vibrations

    Jim Swacker said:
    October 10, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    So sorry to hear about your problems. I know you have put your heart and soul in this bird. Hope you get everything sorted soon

      ulbuilder responded:
      October 10, 2019 at 11:26 pm

      Thanks, I’m sure I’ll get it sorted out. Better for this to happen on the ground than in the air!

    Jeff said:
    October 12, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    You may need softer engine mounts to reduce the vibrations. This is what I used initially just because I knew how bad these single single engines would vibrate. https://www.leadingedgeairfoils.com/engine-airframe-accessories/rubber-mounts/lord-plate-mount-square.html These are softer than the softest barry mount. I also didn’t mount the pulse pump to the engine because its well known that the heat buildup can affect the pump. What I did was let the fuel lines support the pump and use a ziptie and rubber hose for extra support, I did this on my rotax too and have never had a problem. The vibration below 3000rpm is the engine loading up the same thing happens with rotax but at around 2300 rpm. you will want to avoid that rpm if you can which is why I installed brakes. I can email you pictures if needed just let me know.

    Jeff said:
    October 13, 2019 at 10:17 am

    The mounts you got are the Barry mounts here https://www.leadingedgeairfoils.com/engine-airframe-accessories/rubber-mounts/barry-mount-red-soft.html
    The Lord mounts in the link I posted should smooth things out for you atleast the vibration should be at a normal level and not tearing things up.

      ulbuilder responded:
      October 15, 2019 at 7:48 am

      It looks like retrofitting the Lord mounts you linked to might take a bit of work. Mine do look like the Barry mounts but my recollection is they were Lord brand. Maybe I should try softer version of what I have?

        jeff said:
        October 16, 2019 at 8:17 am

        you could ask david at team what mounts they supply, He could probally help you out too, just tell him your having issues with vibration.Also I think the barry mounts are labeled red for soft and green for hard, just something else to look for to see what ya got.

        ulbuilder responded:
        October 16, 2019 at 8:46 pm

        They are indeed Lord mounts, I believe they are cb-2201-15 because looking at old pictures one of them had 15 stamped on the side. They have five hardness options -11 (soft) through -15 (hard) so it looks like I have the hardest. Aircraft Spruce sells the cb-2201-13 as ‘hard’

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